Discussion in 'Politics and Debate' started by sharkbait., Oct 18, 2017.
I like Bernie Sanders.
Me too *high five*
Feel the BERN.
It’s too bad he didn’t have more money
He was the only candidate to address minority’s beyond Mexicans and Africans. Could really use free tuition and health care these days
He didn't really seem to understand the implications of a 15 dollars an hour minimum wage. Businesses will take their business elsewhere, therefore decreasing available jobs and they will also use automation because it will be cheaper than paying that minimum wage, lol.
Not all of them. The larger companies would have to pay out more to retain their employees. Most businesses that are serious pay around 15 dollars an hour anyways so he would have just been levelling it off. Anyone who is too cheap to actually pay their employees a fair share doesn't deserve to be in business anyways. There is some sense to it, it's called equalizing profit and it's meant to make things between employers and employees more level because when a boss is making even a 20 or 30% profit on something and their employee is making 9 dollars an hour, not a living wage, then things are fucked.
^ But employers can always find cheaper labor and they will move their businesses to those places.
They've already done that in large droves to places all over the world. SO what you're suggesting is "remaining competitive"? You CAN'T remain competitive with countries that are willing to sell their people out they go SO low and the whole point of being a superpower is to bring your brand of better living to places not MAKE THINGS WORSE by setting a bad example!
How first world nations should handle their labor is through Unions and by empowering the worker for giving of their TIME to help with whatever the motive for capital is. Employers walking away scotfree with up to 60% of the profits while their employees work on below-sustenance wages is NOT acceptable and a larger percentage needs to be paid out to even the "lowliest" of employees because damnit we are PEOPLE.
So if they want to outsource and automate then fine let their crooked asses. We'll manage WITHOUT THEM. Their loss for losing such fine employees and opportunity. Treating people like slaves, in any country, is WRONG.
And damn any fuedal baron oligarchy type who tells me otherwise under the guise of free-market capitalism. Fuck corruption. FUCK TRUMP
Bernie is what America need but not what she deserve, the latter is Trump.
I much prefer Jill Stein but Bernie is okay, so long as you overlook his pro Israel bias.
Socialism does not work.
I kind of wanted Elizabeth Warren to run.
You mean Pocahontas?
I didn't know a wingnut exist in Canada.
We're not talking about socialism. Were talking about a Social Democracy and who or what is the antithesis to that. Medical care and social services should be a given, end story. Trump is a motherfucking terrorist. End story.
Bernie wants to turn America into a third world country with all his handouts. Free does not make something better and certainly does not make it higher quality.
How do you know? How do you know that what Sanders wanted to do with education won't help America? I think it was a good idea and the simple fact is that no one knows how it would have gone if he had subsidized education with public dollars because he never got the chance.
He was cheated by corrupt Hillary that is true. I used to support Bernie up until he lost the nomination and no investigation was pursued by his campaign. I Liked some of what Bernie was preaching but he was not strong on what our country needed the most. Usually listening to a candidates speeches gives you an idea of what they will do after they get into office. So far Trump is nailing everything he promised in his lectures despite practically no democratic support
He's trying to nail everything. He hasn't nailed Medicare yet, because people like Medicare.
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