A Moment of Suffering

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  1. Squire72

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    I'm not suffering any more than usual, beyond the cold. But the nature of life?

    All life, human anyways, consists of periods of happiness, periods of sadness, periods of comfort, and periods of suffering. All inevitable, regardless of station or standing.

    Nobody gets to pick their parents, their nation, their genetic traits, their gender, or their sexual inclinations.

    We get to choose how we respond to these things, how we carry them, how they affect our actions, and the choice is what affects how other people treat us.

    Whatever station also affectsthat, people get treated differently depending on who their parents are or family is.

    But it all comes down to exactly the same thing no matter who you are

    Born, live, die.

    You bring nothing with you, and you take nothing with you - there are societal expectations, family obligations, whatever, but our obligations are a societal construct. We affect people around us, negativity breeds negativity, hostility hostility, and kindness kindness.

    What do you think the point, if any, of the human experience is?
     
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    I think you need Buddhism and to watch Life Is Beautiful, off the top of my head. :)
     
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    @Squire72 Beautiful discussion topic, by the way. I hope I can contribute. :)
     
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    I don’t think there is a point in us being here, but as long as we are, we’d better make the best of it, for we only got one chance
     
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    You got that from Eminem's Lose Yourself?
     
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    Ronda Rousey said that we are here for others, so others can prosper or to create something that others can benefit from. She said that she did things to help build up women's MMA that she didn't want to do. And now women's MMA is a pretty big thing in the UFC.
     
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    My favorite philosophers are grassroots philosophers because I don't want to read a tome, lol.
     
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    I think that imparting good ideas has been democratized where it is not the sole domain of elite philosophers like John Locke, Rene Descartes, etc., lol, because the peasants are not dedicating their lives to trying to produce food from the ground anymore.
     
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    to search for the answer to the very question you're asking
     
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    most people think, wait not only think, but dream of success as it's explained in history lessons or what i like to call textbook-context. But they stop imagining and therefore growing by letting go of their inner-child (their true being imo), which is who you knew yourself as when you were 5 years old or so.

    So the answer I find most reasonable is... to live this life as closely as a 5 year old would react in the body/age/surrounding you are faced with during the entire duration of existing on this planet. I said "live" as if it's that easy... it's best if understood as 'survive' if i am to be even remotely comprehensive about my point of view.
     
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    My threshold for success is happiness. If I’m happy, that’s all that matters to me.

    If all the people I have around me are happy, all the better. Having things doesn’t make me happier than when I didn’t have things, it’s all just clutter. Except the dog and the plants.

    I need it get rid of stuff, I have too much clutter I don’t use :(
     
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    I think that fueling one's addiction without much drawback is the definition of happiness. If you can't achieve that, then I think the next best thing is being content. :)
     
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    Life has become too commercialize.

    I'm contemplating buying a 30k boat that I may use 3x a year. :cool:
     
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    Is this True : We are born, live and then die?
     
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    Universally true, every human who has ever lived followed that pattern. Some live seconds, some 120 years, but they all die. Some of us are still alive of course, but they’re nowhere near finding a cure for death
     
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    Asking if 'We are born, live and then die' is True also questions the fact of your birth. You might think it is foolish to question such a simple true fact and if you try to ground it as true, you most likely will presuppose it as already being true (e.g. that I was born is True because I was born and hence have a birth certificate).

    The question is not questioning the universal Truth of the pattern if there is a pattern, it is questioning whether there is such a pattern at all.

    But what you just said also reminds me of Hume's inability to produce an Idea of Necessary Connection, for example if A has led to B, x number of times, according to Hume, we can never conclude that B will necessarily happen if A does, it is simply a belief that is grounded in a Survival Instinct. Humans form patterns to help them predict or get a grasp on the future to survive, but strictly speaking it can not be said to be Necessary.

    So, w/ respect to the pattern you just mentioned, in order for it to be universally True, wouldn't it need to be at least universally Necessary?
     
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    Since it applies to all living things, that we know of, and can observe, although lifespans vary greatly, from plants and animals that appear to be able to live indeterminate amounts of time, and also seems to apply to objects, such as stars and planets, it may be universal. That being said, our knowledge is limited to things we can observe, which doesn’t include the vast majority of things in even our solar system, or even most of our planet.

    Based on human experience it would appear to be a truth, although whether that can be answered much further than our current experience in the small frame of our existence? It’s improbable at best. Very good chance the vast majority of knowledge will elude the human experience.
     
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    I think that you need to take a break from all of your electronic devices, at least for a while. I think that you'd like that. :)
     
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    My phone is the only electronic device in my house lol
     

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