Discussion in 'Attention Seekers' started by skrinkle, Dec 27, 2017.
This is you right now:
Going off thread topic calling First Nations people Indians and savages sounds pretty racist to me bud. You may respect individuals but it doesn’t sound like you think very highly of First Nations as a whole, the way you’ve been posting here.
You can say you’d call anyone of any race a savage if they met the right criteria to get out of sounding racist but that word has some seriously racist history in Canada, why do you want to dig that up?
You may not be racist but you are definitely pretty tone def.
One thing I would point out, is that the word "savage," when used to describe First Nations/Native American peoples carries with it a great deal of negative baggage. It is a word that was used for a long time on this continent to dehumanize and vilify an entire population of people. It is not unlike using a certain word to describe people of African descent. I will let you know that when I saw that word used as a noun (rather than an adjective), it made me cringe.
I think you're a decent and intelligent person...if I didn't, I wouldn't bother letting you know how I feel about this.
That's not the point though. It doesn't matter what your background is. No one is born into this world entitled to anything. The land is not yours just because you came first nor it's yours because you took it later. The land belongs to nobody and hence its usage should be for the benefit of everyone.
The point here is the way we got it. And it’s clearly not benefiting everyone. And yes, land can belong to people. If we didn’t respect that, someone could come and push you out of your house right now and legally claim it as theirs.
It's literally the way everyone got it. There is absolutely nothing special about white people that make them distinct from others. They conquered lands, so did other people. They called the natives as savages, so did other people. If any native tell me that I am a guess in their land, then I'll tell them my ancestor was Lucy the missing link and they can shove their feeling of self-entitlement up their asses.
I'm not going to whitewash anything. History is history but the world will be a better place if nationalism cease to be or to quote Rousseau;
The first person who, having enclosed a plot of land, took it into his head to say this is mine and found people simple enough to believe him was the true founder of civil society. What crimes, wars, murders, what miseries and horrors would the human race have been spared, had some one pulled up the stakes or filled in the ditch and cried out to his fellow men: "Do not listen to this imposter. You are lost if you forget that the fruits of the earth belong to all and the earth to no one!
That's what being a Socialist really means.
LOL Savage is a term that should not be used when describing any human being, you're grasping at straws. Everything you've said is either racist or you rationalizing being racist.
Yeah I didn't mean to call them savages, I meant that I'm opposed to savagery by anyone. There are savages man, definition being anyone who is willing to unnecessarily kill or brutalize to enforce a will. If you don't believe in monsters in men than you're just naive.
No one cares who your ancestor was. And not everyone got their land this way.
Most people just call them murderers, and they exist in every race. Of course I believe in bad people, you joking? There are horrible people everywhere, but to boil down everything the way you have makes you sound like Donald Trump speaking about Mexican and Muslim people. "Some of the worst rapists and murderers in our country are First Nations." - sharkbait. "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." - Donald Trump
Iceland, for example was completely uninhabited by humans when the Vikings arrived. The Irish monks had come but weren’t tough enough and moved back Ireland before then.
The First Nations people in Canada arrived prehistory. We don’t know if there were inhabitants when their ancestors arrived, good chance there actually weren’t though.
The ancestors of most if not the extreme majority of people do. I'm pretty sure the native themselves conquered northern America exactly like any other people. The Dorset came first, and then the Thule and then the Inuit and then the white men.
We do know, there were people that came first before the Inuit.
Maybe if I hadn't of run into so many bad ones I wouldn't be talking like this. Just last week some drunk Indian sexually accosted a friend of mine downtown. Yeah I'm pissed about it. And you're right maybe I don't respect First Nations as a whole. So you were here first, big bloody whoop. Like I pointed out, it doesn't mean that things were running smoothly when the Brits arrived. And introduce guns and liquor into the picture and what do you get? More bloodshed. I respect the Law and what happens when people follow laws. Order. Stability. Peace. Not more anarchy. **** anarchy.
See, am I talking about any one race here? No. So get off my goddamn case already I am just fine tyvm.
That has nothing to do with race but everything to do with poverty. The Canadian government hasn't done shit to alleviate poverty among the natives.
Instead of bitching about what name you should call the natives, try voting for party that put priority in improving their well-beings. Neoliberal SJW's darling Trudeau isn't going to do anything, that's for sure.
Who the heck is talking about anarchy man?! We're talking about respecting humans. I think at this point it's about building it back up and not looking at first nations people, or any minority, as lesser humans. If you think there aren't drunk white guys out there sexually assaulting people you're NUTS. It's not about race, it's about the individual. And you say "am I talking about any one race here?" Well yes, you kind of are ... Re-read your first few sentences, and the context of the entire thread is First Nations people so ...
Actually I'm pretty sure he gives a **** about native affairs man. Not sure how much of a **** quite yet, but he definitely gives a ****. Most Canadians do by now I think after reading and hearing so much about whats going on:
The Liberal budget tabled in March made substantial investments on housing, clean water and education for First Nations, the study noted, but the bulk of that money is not scheduled to be spent for a few years yet.
"It will take some time to tell whether these initiatives sufficiently combat chronic overcrowding in houses, boil water advisories and substandard schooling," the report said.
Yeah, Trudeau is doing a good job of repairing relations. It's a process though and some people don't see that and unfairly criticize him for being too slow.
So what do you want me to say? That I'm sorry? That I wish none of the bad shit had ever gone down between English people and First Nations? Because I'll say that and mean it, at the risk of sounding cheesy. I'm no Trump supporter man, and I hate bigotry. Really.
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