This is completely off topic from what we were discussing though lol. We were discussing why Cenk got fired for sexist comments, not who I would vote for if I was American. Anyways, yes I think it was morally correct to vote for Hillary. And it’s my personal opinion that if America wasn’t so sexist, she would have won.
OK Gandu, she voted for the Iraq war, that qualify her as a war criminal under the Nuremberg Principles. As for Honduras, you're just being a dumbass for believing what she said. You have to understand history from what actually happened. The US has a long history of sponsoring coup d'etat against Socialist governments. When the coup d'etat happened in Honduras, instead of demanding the return of the democratically elected President, the US opt to support the new regime instead, why is that? https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/0...us-relations-with-latin-america-to-a-new-low/
It was also honestly the many lies put out about her by right wing pundits. Calling her a war criminal was one of the nasty little backstories used by the Trump campaign to win. She might be guilty of something in LIBYA, but not Honduras, and it remains to be proven the allegations themselves hold very little water.
Didn't you said: Apparently a remark 18 years ago by Cenk is so offensive that he need to be purged but not so much about Hillary's actions that caused the death of millions of people (and let me reminds you that includes women and children).
Yeah I know about South America, it's been a CIA operation since 1910 when a US Marine detachment slaughtered hundreds and the US Govt covered it up. It's been a dominance game for a while now, and Honduras is nothing new and isn't the only country to be stepped on by US foreign policy. It's a shame. VENEZUELA. Now, she said it was the Parliament of Honduras that acted to remove the President, that's nothing new either. I am not being a dumbass, I'm simply accepting that they carried out a coup there, she knew about it, couldn't stop it and didn't see a reason to try and stop it because of the real potential for civil war. That's very different to having actually orchestrated the coup. And if you're going to say that Hillary Clinton is guilty for the deaths of millions of people, you are going to have to back it up with some evidence. You've been doing a great job so far what have you got?
You had limited options for president, and you have hundreds or thousands of options for a news reporter. If I had to choose between trump or Hilary, I’d vote Hilary. But luckily the options weren’t limited to 2 or 3 for replacing Cenk.
Let's amp it up a little, let's pretend that Clinton tortured, murdered and cut off the dicks of disabled men in her spare time. I would still rather vote for her over Trump. That's because Presidency is not about morals, it's all about image. You can have the nicest person ever and he/she could make for a terrible President and you can have an evil psychopath (some doctors say JFK was a psychopath) who could make a great President. It doesn't matter, all that matters is how they run the country. And Clinton would run the country more effectively than Trump.
That's not true, there were Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. If you're saying they have no chance of winning then your logic makes even less sense because: There is literally only one giant progressive non corporate funded center-left alternative media and that is TYT which Cenk is the founder. There is literally only one giant progressive organization aiming at displacing corporate democrats with progressives and that is Justice Democrat founded by Cenk Uyghur and Kyle Kulinski. If you're talking about the lesser of the two evils, then why destroy the movement started by Cenk and purged him when he himself isn't even evil because he doesn't believe in anything he said 18 years ago.
Honestly I’m not really sure who Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are because the rest of the world doesn’t revolve around America. I’m not American and I don’t care to learn too much about politics in the first place. If Cenk is the founder, he can found a new one. He’s obviously got a following, and he is free to do whatever he wants. The point still stands that companies do what’s best for them and the majority of their audience. And making those comments as a journalist is pure trash.
Oh yes, you are! Let me remind you that the sources I quoted are all left wings. So let me get this straight: - Clinton didn't know a coup happened, that is what she said - Clinton actively supporting the new regime, that is the evidence on the ground Lets just assume that you're right here, that still doesn't affect her status as a war criminal because she voted for the Iraq war. Sure, the millions of people who died in Iraq as reported by Wikileaks.
And now you're ignoring the facts to suit your narrative of her being a war criminal. Hillary knew about the coup, she said as much. She didn't plan it or even carry it out. Now you're being a dumbass. She said she couldn't do anything about it, and thought it was a better option than civil war. End story And as for the Iraq War the American people were blinded by rage after 9/11 and a lust for revenge which allowed for the majority of US Senators to vote yes on Iraq and deposing Saddam, that doesn't make them war criminals. What's actually really bothering me right now though is your refusal to talk about Libya or Venezuela...
Found what? I thought you said he can never be allowed to have power because of what he said 18 years ago? TYT is a company and Cenk is still the head there. Justice Democrats is not a company, it's a non profit organization founded by Cenk and Kyle. Kyle resigned in solidarity with Cenk. Justice Democrats is now virtually run by SJWs.
Oh, they do! Read back what the three principles said: Principle II "The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law."
The argument about Clinton is pointless lol. She’s not president. But the fact that this conversation morphed from sjw to feminism to Hillary is not surprising and so full of sexism it makes my brain hurt.
Well then they should ALL be prosecuted then. Not just Hillary Clinton because she ran for President in 2016 and made Donald Trump look like an IDIOT on multiple occasions.
I have no problem with that but that isn't what we're debating. You rejected the fact that Hillary is a war criminal but now at least you acknowledge it that she is indeed! But now the moral absurdity become apparent. It's okay to vote for a war criminal to have the most powerful seat in the world but it's not okay to have a reformed man who said stupid things long ago to be part of the progressive movement. SJWs isn't about equality betwen men and women, they are all about women supremacy and thus the moral double standard.
I didn’t say he wasn’t allowed to have power. I said we have to hold people of power to a different standard. And while he is free to keep reporting on the news and making YouTube videos and blog posts, the majority won’t watch it because of the standard that most people go by these days. Sexism isn’t okay, and America is starting to resist it again. Im not really sure how to explain myself any better, I just keep saying the same thing with different words and you still misinterpret it lol.
Why only the presidency should be exempted from morality, why not everything else? Wait, if morality isn't an issue, then Trump being a sexist and racist shouldn't be an issue as well right?
How about this, if they are for equality then good for them, and if they are for supremacy then **** them right in their corn holes. And yeah I am willing to say Hillary is an evil war criminal, she should have never been the one to run against Trump it should have been John Kerry or someone anyone but Hillary Clinton. But **** Trump. Seriously what a disaster this is that he's in. Hilary would have continued on improving American society as best she knows how, Trump is just going to tear it all down and take a giant crap on everyone's heads as he does it. You voted for CALIGULA.
