Discussion in 'Attention Seekers' started by mcpon14, Mar 20, 2018.
Muhammed or Jesus?
I think Jesus
there's more christians than muslims in the world
But Muhammed started a religion and began what became a new world power and a lot of those places stayed Islamic ever since.
Jesus just started a sect in another religion and it became another religion centuries later.
I don't think influence can be measured by quality in the empirical sense
How would you measure it?
quantity, as I mentioned earlier
I'm conflicted on this one, as Jesus by far had the bigger impact spiritually speaking, Islam even was seen as a Christian heresy akin to the Cathars for about 200 - 300 years after its founding, and the Qu'ran takes the majority of it's core teachings from the Bible (which in turn comes from the Torah). On a physical level though Muhammad had the biggest influence on the world stage as he brought Islam across North Africa, Iran, Turkey etc. through his military brilliance. If he wasn't such an incredible general Islam would likely have died out in Arabia just like Catharism did in Toulouse.
Hm... the 313 vs 1000 fight had nothing to do with military strategy as far as I know (Battle of Badr)
Of course it was military strategy. Muhammad recognised his own weakness in numbers and compensated by sheltering in a strong defensive position and pulled of an impressive flanking maneuver (made even more impressive by the fact that the Meccans had 100 horses to his 2). It's easily as impressive a feat of generalship as Azincourt or Crecy in British history. I can't see how you could argue it's anything else?
would you mind linking me where you gathered this information from?
Was it Muhammed or Khalid that gets credit for that?
What information do you mean? If it's the numbers I reference you'll find them the same pretty much wherever you look, regarding the military strategy that's just from my own memory of learning about it, but I know the point about his defensive positioning is accurate, the flank I described may be misnamed, I'm not really a military historian sorry, it was probably better described as a forced march to be at Badr before the Meccans. Regardless I still don't see how you can argue that 313 solidly beating 1000 wasn't a pretty remarkable show of military prowess.
Fair point Khalid was instrumental for much of the Islamic conquests, but delegation is still leadership I guess. I don't think Khalid was at Badr though but I may be wrong.
Well, I'm having difficulty understanding if the entire Muslim army (300 or close to it) were on the defense, how was a "flank" possible?
I just used the wrong word cause I'm a loser like that. It's like 3:30 am. My military terminology goes to shit after like 2.
A more likely explanation is that yours was shit to begin with.
They're both imaginary so who cares.....Tooth Fairy or Easter Bunny?!?!
I prefer your mom.
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